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CTCR Online COMMODITY EXPERT IN THE SPOTLIGHT: BILL GARY

-Interview by Courtney Smith

You're closely identified with being a fundamentalist but one of the things you learned from Roy Longstreet was to study historical price charts for repetitive patterns. How do you reconcile historical chart study with fundamentals? How do you mesh those two concepts together?

I think a good example was in our last letter, which we put out two weeks ago. Soybeans had gone up in middle of July and made new

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contract highs and then collapsed. They had taken the entire advance out and were testing the lows that had been made in the spring. We went back and looked through history for similar patterns. We found two in Beans that were very similar and then last year in Corn was also similar (Ed. Note: See pages 11 and 12 for a copy of two pages from Bill's latest issue of Price Perceptions showing this discussion.). In a demand oriented year, with a crop scare in July, we found that in these three years the market came back to that spring base but didn't carry through on the downside. It then goes into a very slow deliberate demand-based bull move. It happened in both of those bean years.

 
Who is Roy Longstreet?
Much of Bill's approach to fundamental analysis was learned from the legendary Roy Longstreet. Longstreet headed the firm Longstreet-Abbot back in the 1960's, which later became Clayton Brokerage which eventually became defunct in the mid-1980's. Clayton was famous for having perhaps the best grain and meat analysis in the futures brokerage industry. Longstreet had compiled a massive fundamental and price database going back into the last century. As Bill describes in this interview, he would search through this database for patterns to give clues for how to trade the current situation. Longstreet also wrote an excellent book, Viewpoints of a Commodity Trader, currently being published and sold by Trader's Press.

How does a person at home discover those patterns? Study historical chart books put out by Commodity Perspective or the CRB Yearbooks?

They could go back and look at those price patterns. Moore Research puts out a nice set of books and charts that go back to near 1970. What you want to do is take this year's chart and look for similar patterns from previous years and what happened. When you find some similar patterns, then, if you've got a database of fundamentals, then you go and try to compare similar fundamentals for that year.

What are conditioned seasonals and how do they work?

The reason we call it conditioned seasonals (see example on page 5) is that we are conditioning out years that are not similar in fundamental characteristics. It gives you something to hang your hat on and to have an idea of how much should this market move up this year. You don't use price patterns for conditioned seasonals. That's more technical. In conditioned seasonals, you look up the three or four primary fundamental forces that will be influencing the market over the next six months. Then you go back through your database and look for similar fundamental conditions. In Soybeans, for example, you may look for a tight old crop carryover, like this year, and prospects for continued tightness in the coming year. Then you go back and look at similar years in the past. You might measure the tightness by, for example, taking the beginning supply of Soybeans for the new crop year as a percentage of the previous year's demand. So you have both a supply and a demand factor. You always have to have a supply and demand factor. You just can't do it on supply or you will not get the right results. For example, knowing that supply is up 20% is not enough to make a correct judgment on the current condition. You might go back the last twenty years and figure those percentages. You then rank them from most tight year to least tight year. Then you go back into your price database and you start to ask questions. Did the harvest low occur early in those years? When do wemake the seasonal lows in Soybeans? You'll find that the tighter the years, the more often the lows tended to occur as early as August, like this year. They tend to occur early rather than later. Or you might look for how far the price tends to move from the harvest lows in these years. So you go back and you look for the harvest low and the subsequent high. We use percentages rather than price so we can normalize across different years. In other words, we want to know what the subsequent high price was as a percentage of the harvest low price. You calculate the percentage gain that the market had from the harvest lows and relate that to the degree of tightness in the fundamentals. It's amazing how you can come up with correlations. There's just all kinds of things you can do with conditioned seasonals.

Where am I supposed to get the data to do conditioned seasonals if I wanted to do this myself?

You can get the fundamental data from the USDA. We sell a Stat Book, that is a big book with all the stats that go all the way back into the 1960's and some back into the 1950's. It gives you world supply/demand, US supply/demand, foreign production and supply/demand, and so on. It's probably 300 pages of grain market fundamentals. We update it once a month. The library and the CRB Yearbook are two other sources of fundamental data.

Is this style of analysis hard to do?

No.

Why doesn't everybody do it?


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